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youlian troyanov's avatar

Brilliantly logical through and through. West simply needs people like Lorenzo in high places to keep the decline of civilization at bay...

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Rather Curmudgeonly's avatar

There is a reason media has evolved as it has - it went from a craft/trade that one apprenticed in to a college major. This of course meant it was subject to all of the problems associated with academia in general, but even more specifically, how the hell was a PhD in Journalism qualified to teach actual journalism? What horsecrap would you uncover if you examined a random collection of Journalism dissertations over the last 50 years?

I have a very strong suspicion that the shadow of Walter Lippmann looms large, even if filtered through the doctoral process and the man being essentially invisible to the undergrads of the last 30 years.

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Lorenzo Warby's avatar

I agree on what a disaster university “trained” journalism is. Your point about the shadow of Walter Lippmann is very plausible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Opinion_(book)

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Paul McNamara's avatar

"There is a religion-shaped hole: it is perfectly possible to have a morally coherent civilisation without monotheism."

I agree, which is why I remain a dissatisfied atheist.

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the long warred's avatar

It’s what happens when you give.

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Md Nadim Ahmed's avatar

Is there much evidence that western societies have become less resilient because of cultural liberalism? Crime, the clearest example of social dysfunction, is down in most western countries. In America, which is an outlier in crime, it's mostly driven by native blacks and not immigrants. Even in Australia we have had dropping alcoholism rates for years.

I suppose that clearest social dysfunction is falling fertility rates. We don't know how to solve the problem. No one does. As a libertarian and a small-c conservative, I'm not unwilling to partake in large scale social engineering project. Imo the first thing we should abolish is most universal pension and healthcare systems to reduce the cost of an ageing population on future taxpayers.

Additionally Europe presumably has lower dysfunction that America does and yet, more Europeans move to America than the other way around. People might pretend to care about stuff like crime and inequality, but it doesn't seem to predict migration patterns. Actions speak louder than words.

I say all this as someone who is far right on cultural issues. We should ban Muslim immigration from the west and nuke Mecca and Medina. We should actively go out of our way to stifle economic development in Muslim countries.

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Lorenzo Warby's avatar

You run into definitional problems—I was trying to give “left” some more specific content. Contemporary “social liberals” have become very illiberal in their attitudes to freedom of speech and thought.

While crime in general has fallen, there have been some very bad spikes from migration. Mass rape/sexual exploitation of children and young women in the UK by Muslim gangs and gang/grenade violence in Sweden are particularly serious instances. Increased urban disorder in “progressive” cities is another example as is the post BLM surge in homicide. So is the trans attack on women’s spaces and activities.

More generally, the increasingly serious concern for possible civil war in the UK is very much about a loss of social cohesion from the policies pursued by very socially liberal folk.

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