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Kurt's avatar
Mar 9Edited

This is pretty good. My only comment would be in the analysis of Chinese civilization/culture/whatever you want to call it.

If you made these same observations about Chinese FAMILIES, it falls apart, or at least fragments into a much larger conversation. For a few (or more) millennia, Chinese society was organized around family, lineage, clan, village (which was usually clan), and then State, which most folks here have always had a tangled and troubled relationship with.

"Let the state be small and the people few: So that the people . . . fearing death, will be reluctant to move great distances and, even if they have boats and carts, will not use them. So that the people . . . will find their food sweet and their clothes beautiful, will be content with where they live and happy in their customs. Though adjoining states be within sight of one another and cocks crowing and dogs barking in one be heard in the next, yet the people of one state will grow old and die without having had any dealings with those of another.".....Daode jing (The Way and Its Power): a favorite passage of the founder of the Ming, the Hongwu emperor (reigned 1368–98)

If one starts with the basic unit of Chinese society, an entirely different view becomes clear. The State has always attempted to both atomize and isolate societal units, while also attempting to form it into a single coherent entity. The Chinese "word" for State is "Guo Jia" 国家...with 国=country and 家=family. "Country Family" IOW, there is an inherent contradiction in the basic cultural unit and the State's intentions.

If one viewed the family, lineage, or clan through the same lens as the micro-view Youtube videos, an entirely different picture emerges. You would see all energy and resources poured into helping and addressing the afflicted.

Until only a couple generations ago (and in many areas, a single generation) the country was still largely rural and formed into essentially autonomous villages, with entirely different governance structures than those imagined by the West. To begin understand those governance structures and the society that emerged from them, I recommend reading "From The Soil", Fei Xiaotong's groundbreaking sociological study of Chinese society. Mr. Fei was soundly berated by the CPC and took a lot of heat for having the audacity of describing society, which was considered the strict overview of the CPC. But, current sociologists and cultural observers still acknowledge his contributions. The idea did not die, which also runs contrary to CPC dictats.

The grand problem for the current government....and if anyone has studied and understands governments, "current" applies as all these structures are cyclical and in a state flux...excuse me, I digress...the problem of current government is attempting to mold this highly fragmented and atomized society into a single unit.

Overcoming millennia of strict societal organizational efforts is the exciting story. The observations and isolated instances of cultural coldness is not the exciting story. The exciting story is watching a government attempting to form a State while maintaining inherently contradictory principles and actions that run counter to a society's millennia old inclinations.

(I could go through this and edit and pick and choose to make changes, but it's written in one blast of highly caffeinated early morning extemporaneous rambling.)

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Have you read both volumes of Decline of the West? It really is spectacular. Spengler acknowledges the whole thing is just a bombastic Germanic rant with nothing backing it but his own eye, but like Nietzsche that's the whole point.

It's greatest strength is the complete evisceration of the things we hold in the west to be objective and real (but are really just ridiculous abstractions from other cultural perspectives), and the way he links all our modern tripe with ideas long ago established in Gothic times.

His predictions have also been pretty accurate, which is really what is technically useful about comparative history.

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