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Dec 30, 2023Liked by Lorenzo Warby

deBoer declares that nations are nothing but imagined communities, but demands justice for Palestine. How does one provide justice for an imaginary community?

Perhaps deBoer means justice for individual Palestinians. If so, doesn’t justice demand that the October 7th murderers pay for their crimes? And what does justice demand for those who abetted and those who are still abetting the murderers?

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Jan 1Liked by Lorenzo Warby

This is an excellent essay that hits on a lot of the same criticisms I've made of FdB (in my head). He writes very well, and he has cogent and thoughtful ideas about culture, education, and intra-left politics. But on certain topics, especially foreign policy, his ideas are worse than useless. His Ukraine articles were awful apologias for Russian imperialism, and his articles on Israel/Palestine were similarly bad to the point that I only read bits and pieces. The final straw for me was his mocking and dismissive comments about Oct 7th and his skepticism that widespread rapes occurred. (Why are there so few eyewitnesses, Freddie? Maybe because they were murdered or kidnapped!)

An especially important point of your essay here is the vital role of stability and order, and the degree to which leftists dismiss it. You often read left-wing critiques of US post-war policy towards Germany, including reintegrating former Nazis into the West German government, using former Nazi scientists in NASA, etc. and those things did happen - de-Nazification was far less thorough than most of us would think to be ideal. And yet, in fact, the de-Nazification of West Germany was extremely successful - the fascists who remain in Germany are mostly in the former East Germany. So however amoral US policy was, the ultimate effect was morally good and led to a more peaceful world (no WWIII). Too often, that outcome is simply taken for granted and discounted.

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Another great piece Lorenzo. Thank you. I wrote , in my more tabloid style, why the Marxists marching for the destruction of Israel have lost, if they ever had it, the right to lecture the rest of us about our moral choices. I link it here if anyone is interested. Happy New year to you. https://open.substack.com/pub/lowstatus/p/fish-fingers?r=evzeq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Jan 4Liked by Lorenzo Warby

So much in this short essay. By coincidence I am currently reading the wondrous novel by Mikhail Sholokov 'And Quiet Flows the Don' set prior to and during that great civil war which kicked off the Bolshevik horror called the Soviet Union. In one passage, the main protagonist Grishka has a conversation with a secret Bolshevik infiltrator in his Cossack regiment who eventually confides: "True, war has gone on since the beginning of time and will go on so long as we don't sweep away the evil government. But when every government is a worker's government they won't fight any more. That's what's got to be done. When the Germans and the French and all the others have got a workers' and peasants' government. What shall we have to fight about then? Away with frontiers, away with anger! One beautiful life all over the world. Aah..." Garanzha sighed and twisting the ends of his whiskers, his one eye glittering, he smiled dreamily. "Grishka, I would pour out my blood drop by drop to live to see that day."

So simple, so clear, so many drops of blood around the world pouring into a river inspired by those sentiments. It always astonishes me that many so-called intellectuals can't identify the simple pattern you lay out, and walk away quickly from such a delusion. Similar to the Moslem delusion that if all the people's of the world were subjugated to Allah through blood and rape they would create a peaceful world.

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I too enjoy Freddie's writing and have had a similar reaction to his professed "Marxism"—it is as preposterous in 21st-century America as being an alchemist or a Pythian Sybil, and much more the social equivalent of wearing an A for Anarchy button on your leather jacket, as a way to signal how much more radical and edgy you are compared to the other kids.

I've caught him a few times referring to "international law" or "liberal standards" etc and have to wonder how this squares with the Marxist-Leninist belief that such things are "bourgeois impositions/fantasies" or whatever foul jargon they slander their opponents with when they need to masquerade as defenders of human rights and civil liberties.

A century past the Soviet Revolution it is pretty much proved at this point that Marxism appealed very little to its supposed historical protagonists, the Proletarian workers, who refused to renounce God, family and country for Marx's magic beans, but it appealed intensely and quasi-religiously to its true benefactors, disaffected secular intellectuals, who see the "Revolution" as their chance to fulfill all their power fantasies and become omnipotent philosopher-kings.

Didn't we just live through a century where every supposed Marxist intellectual gleefully cheered on multiple massacres, from Sartre and the Algerians to Sontag and the Viet Cong to Foucault and the Ayatollahs and Chomsky and the Khmer Rouge (the list is endless!)? The fact that these people aren't condemned to wander under a cloud of shame like the intellectuals who pimped for Hitler—and that their preposterous Marxist fantasy world hasn't been laughed into History's dust bin—just goes to show you that in the still very Christian West, you can literally get away with murder as long as you say "I did it for a better world!" or "I only wanted to center the marginalized!"

Happy New Year!

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Dec 30, 2023Liked by Lorenzo Warby

Fascinating and to my mind compelling. I wonder if the problem is that there is no proof that Marxism, which has never worked before, can NEVER be made to work in the future. Doesn't that slender crack leave the door open for Marxists, no matter how improbable their dream is?

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I have no idea why I only occasionally have a like button available to click, and this is one of those instances where I feel the lack. Planning to reread it later, but definitely appreciated it the first time.

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Dec 30, 2023Liked by Lorenzo Warby

Amazing piece, although it's a lot to digest but I get the gist. Thank you 🙏

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There is no two state solution. The Israelis have had the Palestinian Arabs administering de facto neighboring states and have gotten nothing but grief for their troubles. The Palis have turned down every offer for statehood.

They never had a state before, existing as an appendage to various empires. That wasn’t a concern for the “Palestinians” until the Jews got a state. The PLO, the terror group which started all this crap, was a 1960’s concoction of neighboring Arab states to de legitimate and destroy Israel. It wasn’t an organic movement. Arafat was an Egyptian. Its goal was and its successors’ goal remains to wipe out the Jews and get rid of Israel. That is an untenable relationship and Israel is now going to finally smash all these homicidal garbage organizations to smithereens. The stupidity and anti-semitism of the West in funding these terror organizations, which attack the West as well, is indicative of how the failed and insufficient ideology of Marxism has been allowed to propagate by people who know better.

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Excellence piece. The gap between deBoer's is indeed wide. As a further point, he completely misunderstood the nature of Labour’s antisemitism issue - 'the allegations against Corbyn were very weak tea indeed' - but felt obliged to weigh in anyway. It's not that he gets stuff wrong; we all do that. It's that when he's wrong he's confident.

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I couldn't agree more. But Freddie understands the evolutionary and historical evidence too yet still begs to differ. Why? A charitable interpretation is that we see and understand the world differently. Evidence that you and I find utterly convincing, Freddie doesn't find persuasive, and vice versa. My contention, consistent with a charitable interpretation and epistemic humility, is that this has nothing to do with intelligence, education, credentials, or, often, good faith. If I am right about this, there is no reason for us to expect otherwise. Humanity's task is to find a way to get along despite the fact that our dreams, values, and priorities often stand in diametrical opposition. Yuval Levin frequently writes about this theme, I believe persuasively. Something has to give, but I don't know what.

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Yes. Freddie deBoer is a Jew hater.

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Would you say Marxism is also what leads FdB to argue biological females need to 'take one for the team' and make space for transwomen in female spaces?

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/i-think-you-should-be-kind

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I never considered the issue from that interesting perspective, perhaps because I was (wrongly?) trying to generalize. Here's a link to Levin that I think brilliantly speaks to the issue:https://www.aei.org/op-eds/communities-need-freedom-but-freedom-needs-community/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Hope you like it.

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This is really good. Though I’d have thought being pragmatic when it comes to NATO expanding along Russias borders also matters because unless NATO intends to fully contribute to any outcome the sabre rattling has proven itself a giant mistake. Similarly we stand back and leave Israel to it. Who knows if the IDF will be enough to thwart such dreadful evil?

(Small point but marriage is better for men to flourish within than women. Women stand no physical chance ina world of men, as Hamas recently barbarically proved, and so marriage is at best a distinct compromise for them).

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Bravo 👏

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