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ssri's avatar

Well, this essay benefits from your definition of terms, but my fuller understanding will really require revisiting some of your past essays and the Penrose videos, only part of which I can expect to get to near term.

I am currently influenced in my understanding of "consciousness" from my recent reading of Consciousness and the Brain, by Stanislaw Dehaene [2014], where he summarized prior brain related studies using fMRI and EKG to separate out levels of perception and neural reaction that remained "subconscious" vs. if/when the brain reacted with activity in selected (or expanded) brain areas, in a wide spread and coordinated fashion to obtain "full consciousness". While subconscious activity might be limited to a few brain areas and die out quickly, if the perception response was "long lived" enough [beyond 300 milliseconds?], it could rise to the level of consciousness, then that activity involved a wider (nearly global brain?) network of neurons. This lends credence to my current view* that consciousness is an emergent property (or a consilient one?) from interactions among a major subject of our 10^15 synapses. No "spiritual" or divine aspects are needed, per se. I suspect you have already read the same or equivalent sources??

*which may have also been influenced from something I read previously by you about emergence?

When it comes to ideas that specific quantum effects are also involved in life or consciousness, beyond those buried in the higher level atomic and molecular interaction in the realm of electromagnetic forces, I remain skeptical that any special subatomic features play a role. I wasn't quite sure where you fell on that interpretation or belief (or Penrose's view?), as valid or probably not valid? I may change my mind if I come to understand the Penrose views better, as I would entertain disagreeing with him (and his recognized expertise/experience/wisdom) with some caution.

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Katy Barnett's avatar

I’ve always been fond of the idea that we’ve evolved to develop consciousness then self-conscriousness. Is this consilient with your scheme?

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